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What if everything we’ve been conditioned to think about pain and injury is wrong? What if we could heal ourselves on our own faster and more effectively without ever having to stop running?

Let’s find out.

Today I’m sharing my conversation on Pain and Performance with co-authors Matt Fitzgerald and Ryan Whited about their book of the same name.

We’ll explore:

  • Why what we think about pain and injury is fundamentally flawed,
  • Why training, not rest, painkillers, or surgery, is the very best way to heal, and
  • Why our fear and avoidance of pain is making everything worse.

Ryan Whited is the founder of Paragon Athletics in Flagstaff, AZ and is a specialist in pain science and physiology. Matt Fitzgerald is an acclaimed endurance sports author, coach and nutritionist, whom I’ve interviewed three times, because his work is so compelling and important to what we do as runners.

Their book is truly fascinating and I highly recommend that you read it or at least listen to this conversation before you get injured.

Welcome to the Planted Runner. I’m Coach Claire Bartholic and my mission is to help you improve your running, your mindset, and your life with science-backed training and plant-based nutrition.

If you need more help, you can order my book The Planted Runner: Running Your Best With Plant-Based Nutrition wherever you get books or request a copy from your local library. 

➡️Or you can enter to win a copy for free, just by writing an Apple Podcasts review. I choose a new winner every month.

Don’t forget to stay tuned all the way to the end of the episode for another Mental Strength Minute. Fortify your mind in 60 seconds or less.


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